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Has my hair loss gotten worse?
03-08-2015, 02:34 PM
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Has my hair loss gotten worse?
About 8-10 months ago I posted a thread about my hair loss, and since then it seems to have gotten worse. For some background I'm 20 years old, and there's little to no hair loss in the family. Only one person has a nor-wood 4/5 hairline, and all the other males have almost no hair loss. And for the people who have experienced hair loss, no one began to experience it at such a young age. I take pretty good care of my hair; I shampoo/condition it once a week and I avoid using any heat.

About a year ago I noticed I was losing a more hair than usual in the shower, but I read that once you start taking good care of your hair this is to be expected so it didn't bother me too much. I did notice some recession in my hairline as well, but I read that this was also normal and that most males tend to get a "mature" hairline around this age.

However since about October, I have noticed my hair loss sped up quite a bit. My shedding has increased a lot (around 60 hairs just when showering, another 30 or so when styling, + more through out the day). I have also noticed more recession in the corners of my hairline. I also have long thin hairs in places where there used to be hair. And it could be just me, but my hair feels thinner all around. What I have included some pictures below.

This is what my hair looked like when I made the thread about a year ago:

Moderator Edit: Please see Post #5 below for the actual pictures

My question now is is this male pattern baldness, a maturing hairline, or simply something else? Could it be Telogen Effluvium? One more important thing I wanted to add was during the past year or so I had a TON of stress. I also had a terrible diet full of sugar and low on protein, vitamins, and minerals. Could that have played a part at all? And is there any hope in regaining my old hair? I know it's still minor hair loss, but I really want to catch it early if it's anything.

Sorry for the long thread but I wanted to try and give as much information as possible. Thanks for reading.
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03-08-2015, 02:57 PM
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RE: Has my hair loss gotten worse?
I can't see your photos, it says something about upgrading band-with. Have you tried imgur DOT com? i don't think they cap your band-width like photo bucket does and it's very easy to register + they are like the reddit of images. I usually add photos there when i wanna post them to this forum or another forum i am on but on different stuff, sports mainly.

Might want to check imgur out as photo bucket have been a pita in the past and it looks like they continue to be with their stupid bandwidth upgrade as if photo bucket wasn't spammy already
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03-08-2015, 03:08 PM
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RE: Has my hair loss gotten worse?
(03-08-2015 02:57 PM)Robert Wrote:  I can't see your photos, it says something about upgrading band-with. Have you tried imgur DOT com? i don't think they cap your band-width like photo bucket does and it's very easy to register + they are like the reddit of images. I usually add photos there when i wanna post them to this forum or another forum i am on but on different stuff, sports mainly.

Might want to check imgur out as photo bucket have been a pita in the past and it looks like they continue to be with their stupid bandwidth upgrade as if photo bucket wasn't spammy already

Even the direct links don't work? If they still don't work I'll try imgur, photo bucket can be a pain to deal with haha, thanks.
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03-08-2015, 03:20 PM
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RE: Has my hair loss gotten worse?
YEs the direct links show the same message. If i click on the photos below the one you link to then I can see that other photo but not the one you link to in your post so I dunno which i am seeing. I don't blame ya because last i checked photo bucket was upgrading everyone for the slightest increase in bandwidth.

Maybe wait for others to chime in as it may be just me, but I left photo bucket for similar reasons and they look to still be putting up the same bs
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03-08-2015, 03:21 PM (This post was last modified: 03-08-2015 03:23 PM by GoodHair.)
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RE: Has my hair loss gotten worse?
Ok I uploaded to imgur hopefully this works haha.

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03-08-2015, 03:40 PM
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RE: Has my hair loss gotten worse?
Now that's way better! Thanks also to Robert for mentioning that indeed Photobucket seem to have lost their use for their free members.

I'm on my phone browsing quickly, I'll try to have a look when I have more time.

P.S. I sent you a PM with regards to embedding the images but it's all solved now.

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03-09-2015, 08:22 AM
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RE: Has my hair loss gotten worse?
I was inclined to say that you were totally fine until I saw the last pictures from now. There looks to be some receding going on but I cannot tell if it's because you had longer hair in your other pictures so they were hiding the hairline you have.

Can you confirm if your hair was longer in the other pictures or if you got a recent haircut just before the last pictures of now?

With your age, no history of early male hair loss and hardly any hair loss in your family, it sounds like your hairline could be finishing maturing. However male pattern baldness is one helluva condition and it strikes randomly.

Can you confirm about the long hair and are you still developing physically? like did you hit puberty at age 16 or are you a late bloomer? can you grow a beard already or at least some facial hair? there seems to be something going on and good job keeping up with the pictures as they really tell us what has been going on. The best thing you can do to monitor for male hair loss is to take pictures of your hairline which only takes 2 minutes out of every 3 months or so anyway.
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03-09-2015, 09:36 AM
Post: #8
RE: Has my hair loss gotten worse?
(03-09-2015 08:22 AM)Bradley Wrote:  I was inclined to say that you were totally fine until I saw the last pictures from now. There looks to be some receding going on but I cannot tell if it's because you had longer hair in your other pictures so they were hiding the hairline you have.

Can you confirm if your hair was longer in the other pictures or if you got a recent haircut just before the last pictures of now?

With your age, no history of early male hair loss and hardly any hair loss in your family, it sounds like your hairline could be finishing maturing. However male pattern baldness is one helluva condition and it strikes randomly.

Can you confirm about the long hair and are you still developing physically? like did you hit puberty at age 16 or are you a late bloomer? can you grow a beard already or at least some facial hair? there seems to be something going on and good job keeping up with the pictures as they really tell us what has been going on. The best thing you can do to monitor for male hair loss is to take pictures of your hairline which only takes 2 minutes out of every 3 months or so anyway.

Thanks for the reply. From what I can remember, my hair was medium length in the 12 month and 3 month pictures. I had recently gotten a haircut in the 6 month and also the recent pictures. I think I'm pretty much done growing, but my beard for example is still filling in. I definitely have noticed my beard getting fuller in the past year, and from what I can tell it's not done filling in yet. Do you think the hair loss might be related to something else? Can I regrow some hair if I clean up my diet and reduce stress possibly?
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03-09-2015, 10:00 AM (This post was last modified: 03-09-2015 10:01 AM by Bradley.)
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RE: Has my hair loss gotten worse?
Well usually if you're a late bloomer you get a fully matured hairline in your mid-20s. The lucky ones don't even have it mature, well just a tad but still keep the circular hairline shape. By age 20 or younger you get what is your adult hairline.

In your case it is very possible that you're still maturing your hairline. Since you mention that your filling in the beard hair.

Also because of the haircut difference I would ay that it's just your hairline being itself. That's why I asked about any recent haircuts, when the hair is longer, just a couple of centimetres or one inch, it can hide the hairline enough to not tell it form the original. My initial thought is that you have either matured your hairline in this last year since you mention filling your beard. That or that the hairline you have now was your original hairline a year ago but the longer hair hid some of it.

One other thing is that you're really young. When male pattern baldness occurs at that age it's catastrophic. As in you would start thinning out like there's no tomorrow. Yet your hair looks absolutely fine other than the suspect receding temples.

Honesty I think it's just your hairline that has matured and that will be your adult hairline. It's the last picture that worries me a tad. What I would do is come back in 3 months and post the same pictures. Try to keep the same haircut around the area, so if you had a scissor taper like you look like you have, then have the same scissor taper. Don't worry about waiting for 3 months and don't over stress about it mate.

You have the right factors to just rule this out as your mature hairline. But with male pattern baldness you never know.

About diet and stress that helps with slowing down male hair loss. Just be aware that there is no cure for male hair loss. Once it starts there's no going back. You can get some regrowth from stuff like minoxidil and finasteride but you need to be permanent on that stuff to keep the regrowth.

Aight so my advice is basically to chill about this, high chances of this just being your mature hairline. Just put down in your calendar to take pictures in 3 months time. If possible clean up your diet a tad, we have been talking about cod liver oil which is great for hair health. You might want to get that for hair health and general health. The thread talking about cod liver oil is this thread I just posted on it. Also get some multivitamin and some vitamin c if possible. Nothing too crazy. Start eating less rats and more of the good food.

If you smoke then try to stop that cause of how bad smoking is for hair loss. When you styling your hair don't pull too hard. No need to get the heavy artillery to battle hair loss, talking of minoxidil or finasteride, until we can confirm 100% what's going on. If possible see a specialist, here in the Uk we can see a dermatologist through doctor referral and it's on the health service. It might be different in your country and you may have to pay a lot but it's really worth the money to see a good dermatologist.

If you go and see a dermatologist show them the pictures in this thread. The pictures you have taken will be really useful to the dermatologist checking your scalp at the time.

Cheers!
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03-09-2015, 07:43 PM (This post was last modified: 03-09-2015 07:49 PM by GoodHair.)
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RE: Has my hair loss gotten worse?
(03-09-2015 10:00 AM)Bradley Wrote:  Well usually if you're a late bloomer you get a fully matured hairline in your mid-20s. The lucky ones don't even have it mature, well just a tad but still keep the circular hairline shape. By age 20 or younger you get what is your adult hairline.

In your case it is very possible that you're still maturing your hairline. Since you mention that your filling in the beard hair.

Also because of the haircut difference I would ay that it's just your hairline being itself. That's why I asked about any recent haircuts, when the hair is longer, just a couple of centimetres or one inch, it can hide the hairline enough to not tell it form the original. My initial thought is that you have either matured your hairline in this last year since you mention filling your beard. That or that the hairline you have now was your original hairline a year ago but the longer hair hid some of it.

One other thing is that you're really young. When male pattern baldness occurs at that age it's catastrophic. As in you would start thinning out like there's no tomorrow. Yet your hair looks absolutely fine other than the suspect receding temples.

Honesty I think it's just your hairline that has matured and that will be your adult hairline. It's the last picture that worries me a tad. What I would do is come back in 3 months and post the same pictures. Try to keep the same haircut around the area, so if you had a scissor taper like you look like you have, then have the same scissor taper. Don't worry about waiting for 3 months and don't over stress about it mate.

You have the right factors to just rule this out as your mature hairline. But with male pattern baldness you never know.

About diet and stress that helps with slowing down male hair loss. Just be aware that there is no cure for male hair loss. Once it starts there's no going back. You can get some regrowth from stuff like minoxidil and finasteride but you need to be permanent on that stuff to keep the regrowth.

Aight so my advice is basically to chill about this, high chances of this just being your mature hairline. Just put down in your calendar to take pictures in 3 months time. If possible clean up your diet a tad, we have been talking about cod liver oil which is great for hair health. You might want to get that for hair health and general health. The thread talking about cod liver oil is this thread I just posted on it. Also get some multivitamin and some vitamin c if possible. Nothing too crazy. Start eating less rats and more of the good food.

If you smoke then try to stop that cause of how bad smoking is for hair loss. When you styling your hair don't pull too hard. No need to get the heavy artillery to battle hair loss, talking of minoxidil or finasteride, until we can confirm 100% what's going on. If possible see a specialist, here in the Uk we can see a dermatologist through doctor referral and it's on the health service. It might be different in your country and you may have to pay a lot but it's really worth the money to see a good dermatologist.

If you go and see a dermatologist show them the pictures in this thread. The pictures you have taken will be really useful to the dermatologist checking your scalp at the time.

Cheers!

Thanks again for the reply, it was very informative. I'm also very confused about my hairline for the same exact reasons. It's as if some things point to MPB while other things seem to be the complete opposite of MPB. For a lot of the MPB cases I see the receded area is "cleanly" receded whereas mine has a bunch of thin/thick hairs scattered around. Almost as if you could see an outline of the old hairline. The weird thing is everything was pretty steady until about 4 months ago. That's when I really began to notice a difference and the whole hair loss situation seemed to have escalated randomly. That's what made me wonder if the hairloss could be something else (TE maybe?).

Another thing I thought may be useful is the hairstyle I usually have. I almost always have my hair in a faux hawk brush up type thing. My hair kind of naturally parts in the middle and is pretty thick, so the hairs on either side stick out a little, almost like a cowlick on either side of my hairline. This means every time I try and get the hairs to stick up rather than to the sides, I have to really force them to the middle. The same thing happens when I sometimes switch it up and have a side part/brush up thing. I have to use a lot of product or push the hair to one side so it doesn't stick out. I usually use hair wax to style, and occasionally hair cream. Would this cause any type of hair loss? Kind of like traction alopecia but less severe?

I don't smoke and I'm active/healthy. The only changes I could make would be to cut down on sugar (biggest diet weakness haha) and to stop stressing. But it's hard not to stress when this is making your stress more haha.

As for the dermatologist, I actually saw one a few months ago. He basically saw my hair for a 2 or 3 seconds, told me it looks very thick and dense so there must be no problem.

But I'll continue keeping an eye on it and I'll post an update 3 months later or if it suddenly got worse. Do you think it could be something other than MPB? Thanks again for the help.
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03-11-2015, 09:09 AM
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RE: Has my hair loss gotten worse?
Sorry for the large amount of questions, but I thought I would add more information. I also have some dandruff/itchy scalp and acne. I've heard some people say that these are linked to hair loss (hormones is what I read), is there any truth to that? I also remember reading that some of these indicate a zinc deficiency, which I wouldn't doubt since I don't get a lot of zinc in my diet.

Also, occasionally when a hair falls out the bulb at the end is very dark instead of the normal white bulb you see. Does that mean anything significant? And lastly, what would you say I am on the NW scale? Again, sorry for the questions but I thought if I were to ask anywhere it would be here. People seem to be the most knowledgeable haha.
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03-11-2015, 10:10 AM
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Your hairline has matured. It very likely isn't male pattern baldness.
I am going to go with what Bradley said as it looks like you have reached a mature hairline. There's some change (receding) over the last 6 months to 3 months, and I suspect that part of why that change looks so noticeable is because of the length of your hair.

In other words, what you have is absolutely fine and chances of male pattern baldness are very small. Since you already saw a dermatologist, then we can discard even more the male pattern baldness hypothesis. However, next time that you visit him, ask him to take a closer look and that you are worried about male pattern baldness as you have noticed that your hairline has receded mildly. You're young so he may not take you seriously and not look at your hair closer, so try to emphasize that you've noticed a palpable hairline change.

About your acne, that would match with what Bradley said about you being a late bloomer. If you are indeed a late bloomer, then at your current age (20 years of age) you would experience that maturing of your hairline into an adult hairline. This is what very likely has happened. Yes, I also spotted some dandruff in your pictures, but it looks to be very light. You might want to have a look at THIS dandruff shampoo which can be used long term without any issues, unlike the harsher anti dandruff shampoos. The shampoo on the link will also last you months especially if you're following a frequency of shampooing other than daily. Having dandruff isn't anything to be ashamed of, a huge percentage of the population has it.

Zinc is a great mineral for skin health, hair health and to keep good testosterone levels, so make sure that you are getting plenty of it through your diet. You very likely have enough if you aren't a vegetarian and if you eat plenty of meat, so that should not be a worry right now. Having said that, zinc can help with acne as well as male pattern baldness, but, as always, it helps if you're deficient in the mineral to begin with.

You may want to look into a zinc supplement, which we've gone through in this nutrition discussion. Make sure that you get that recommended zinc product as it comes with copper, and too much zinc can cause a copper deficiency (so you need to take both zinc and copper, not just zinc alone).

About what you describe as male pattern baldness, do not be so confident on spotting it. It can slowly creep up on anybody. It's fine and easy to spot it on others, but, when it comes to spotting it on oneself, it can become a difficult task as the changes happen so smoothly. It's good that you've taken pictures as you've done; that's the first step in monitoring your hairline.

With regards to your Norwood scale, I would say you're a Norwood I. Nothing to worry about for now. However, do keep an eye on it and post back in some 3 months time or so. Were you to be hit with MPB, it would happen very fast and noticeable. Just have a look at soccer player Arjen Robben to see what it's like to lose your hair in your early to mid-20s. Not a pretty sight, unfortunately.

So, don't worry for now about your hairline. It looks to be fine and all points to your hairline simply having matured into what will be now your adult hairline. However, take pictures in 3 months time and let's see how the hairline has behaved; it will most likely not have changed at all.

If you're still stressing about it, then try to book a dermatologist appointment and tell him specifically about your hair loss worries. Tell him all that you ahve told us in this thread and make sure that he takes you seriously.

Overall and what we can obtain from this thread is that you've become a man now with your final adult hairline; you're not a kid anymore with the smooth hairline that one gets to enjoy as a kid. Congratulations on the adult hairline milestone and your hairline is all fine! Smile

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03-11-2015, 10:29 AM (This post was last modified: 03-11-2015 10:31 AM by GoodHair.)
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RE: Has my hair loss gotten worse?
As always, thanks for the very informative and detailed response TMHF. I agree with you about the dermatologist not taking me serious because of my age haha.

I brought up in another thread that I've actually been thinking of changing my shampoo/conditioner recently and I think I'll try something that'll help dandruff. Either the one you suggested here or one you suggested in another thread (Paul Mitchell Tree Oil Shampoo/Conditioner I believe).

About the nutrition, I saw the Vitamins for Hair thread and also read the chapter on hair nutrition in the Men's Hair Book and looks like I need to change my diet up a bit haha. I plan on taking fish/cod liver oil, getting more zinc, getting more protein, and just overall increasing the amount of vitamins/minerals. Also very strictly limiting the amount of junk and sugar in my diet.

But I will do what you and Bradley have suggested and stop stressing over it haha. I'll take more pictures in 3 months time or if there is a sudden drastic change.

Once again, thanks for the very helpful reply!
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03-11-2015, 10:50 AM
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Good supplementation will complement your hair car efforts.
(03-11-2015 10:29 AM)GoodHair Wrote:  As always, thanks for the very informative and detailed response TMHF. I agree with you about the dermatologist not taking me serious because of my age haha.

I brought up in another thread that I've actually been thinking of changing my shampoo/conditioner recently and I think I'll try something that'll help dandruff. Either the one you suggested here or one you suggested in another thread (Paul Mitchell Tree Oil Shampoo/Conditioner I believe).

About the nutrition, I saw the Vitamins for Hair thread and also read the chapter on hair nutrition in the Men's Hair Book and looks like I need to change my diet up a bit haha. I plan on taking fish/cod liver oil, getting more zinc, getting more protein, and just overall increasing the amount of vitamins/minerals. Also very strictly limiting the amount of junk and sugar in my diet.

But I will do what you and Bradley have suggested and stop stressing over it haha. I'll take more pictures in 3 months time or if there is a sudden drastic change.

Once again, thanks for the very helpful reply!

Hey, it's our pleasure Smile

Yes, we recommend that particular anti dandruff shampoo and conditioner from Paul Mitchell as tea tree oil has plenty of hair benefits, including acting as an anti fungal to fight the dandruff fungus.

You can start with the specific anti dandruff shampoo (Heads & Shoulders) that I posted above if you would rather not spend so much money on the Paul Mitchell shampoo and conditioner pack. That particular shampoo from Head & Shoulders that I linked to is pretty good and a good purchase if you're just looking for a cheap shampoo to control your dandruff. But, as we always say, remember that dandruff has no cure; it can only be managed, controlled and tamed!

I'm with you that you may want to look into covering your bases with regards to your nutrition. I would certainly start with either fish oil or cod liver oil. I'd preferably go with cod liver oil because not only does it contain plenty of omega-3 fatty acids but it also has plenty of vitamin A and D. Vitamin A is an essential vitamin for skin care and hair care, so it will do you wonders for your acne and your hair. Even if you were losing your hair, I would still recommend cod liver oil as vitamin A is a very useful vitamin to combat male pattern baldness and omega-3 fatty acids help to control the scalp inflammation that scientists believe is what's behind male pattern baldness (along with one's own genes and sensitivity to dihydrotestosterone aka DHT).

If you have The Men's Hair Book and have read the nutrition chapter in the book, then you have your bases covered. Rogelio advocates a sensible healthy diet with smart supplementation, so no overdosing or looking for a magic pill. Overdosing on vitamins and putting all hopes into one specific vitamin is what many hair loss scammers try to push to their victims. In reality, just like there's no cure for dandruff, there isn't a cure for male pattern baldness (that's not to say that supplementation isn't any good, just that you have to be realistic and pragmatic).

Have a look at the nutrition thread in the link as I posted it in my previous reply to this thread. I've listed the recommended nutrition products that you can easily buy from Amazon at a good price. Throw in the Head & Shoulders shampoo or the Paul Mitchell shampoo and conditioner to your shopping cart and you will be golden for the next 3 months (and more).

The good thing is that nutritional supplementation will also somewhat improve your quality of life and health, and, if you're an active male doing plenty of exercise (e.g. gym or running), then the supplements will come in very handy as your need for nutrients is higher than the nutrient need for the average male.

Keep us posted on how you're doing! Smile

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03-23-2015, 08:08 AM
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The Seven Seas brand is a high-quality brand of cod liver oil.
OP asked me about some cod liver oil that he wanted to buy. Despite having few reviews, the brand itself (Seven Seas) is a brand that you can trust.

A good cod liver oil from Seven Seas would be THIS one here. Its cheap and you're getting a high quality cod liver oil product.

Another excellent cod liver oil product is THIS one here. While cod liver oil products are not expensive, it's always best to spend a couple of extra bucks on getting a trusted brand of cod liver oil. The problem with low-quality cod liver oil products is that the oil has the potential to have gone rancid and low-quality manufacturers tend to not filter the oil enough from toxins. Thus spend the extra couple of bucks on a cod liver oil product like any of the 2 recommended in this reply.

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04-20-2015, 04:11 PM
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RE: Has my hair loss gotten worse?
Hey guys, it's been about 1.5 months - 2 months since my last update, and I'm concerned my hairline may have receded a bit further. Is it worth posting some updates or should I just wait until the three month mark?
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04-22-2015, 08:27 AM
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Post your new pictures now.
Sure, post pictures now if you think that your hairline may have gotten worse. We will have a look.

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04-23-2015, 06:53 PM (This post was last modified: 04-23-2015 06:56 PM by GoodHair.)
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RE: Has my hair loss gotten worse?
Here are the updated pictures. It's tough getting a good picture of the side views since my hair has gotten a lot longer since my last update. I'm most worried about the corners of the hairline and I'm worried that the hairloss might be starting to expand to the forelock, I might just be over-worrying but I wanted to see what you guys think. The last image is the one which concerns me the most. Also, do you guys think I'm losing any hair on the very front of my hairline? On a side note, I've been taking some of the supplements TMHF suggested while growing out my hair, so what do you guys think about my current hair quality compared to before?

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04-23-2015, 10:08 PM (This post was last modified: 04-23-2015 10:09 PM by GoodHair.)
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RE: Has my hair loss gotten worse?
Here are some more pictures to give you guys a better idea of how it looks like. It's tough getting clear pictures because of the length of my hair. I personally believe it looks a bit worse in person than in the pictures, but that could just be me. If any of the pictures are unclear please let me know and I'll try to take some better ones.
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04-24-2015, 09:49 AM
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RE: Has my hair loss gotten worse?
Your hair has really improved in aesthetics. Before it was dryer & didn't have much gloss but now it looks really good. Has lots of natural shine & gloss. Your hair looks denser & thicker now but this could be from having the hair longer. However the right nutrition can make your hair thicken up if you have the genetic potential for thicker hair. I think you do since you have naturally thick hair strands.

Do you have any hair styling products on your hair on the last pictures?

Your hairline is fine man. There's no balding going on o if there is it's really really mild - but your hairline looks the same. You just have the corners a bit different than the normal. I agree with the rest of the guys, just keep take shots of your hairline every 6 months to monitor your hairline in case any male pattern baldness kicks in. If it does, it's usually at your age that the balding occurs very fast - in 3 to 5 years you can go from a full, dense & thick mane to no hair on your head except on the lower sides of the had. That's what happened to Arjen Robben & this is the classic aggressive balding that occurs to men in their early twenties & even late teens.
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